Accused by the Hospital: A Parent’s Fight Against False Allegations

In this gripping episode, Meg from Stand With Meg sits down with Sarah, a mother whose life was shattered after a children’s hospital falsely accused her and her husband of child abuse. What began as a concerned ER visit for their infant’s sudden illness turned into a terrifying ordeal of misdiagnoses, unjustified investigations, and the traumatic removal of their children. Together, Meg and Sarah expose the alarming pattern of wrongful accusations emerging from certain medical institutions, the failures of due process, and the lasting impact on innocent families. This emotional and eye-opening conversation is a call to action for every parent, advocate, and lawmaker.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01: 0:00

we're gonna welcome in sarah let me bring her in i'm super excited to see her i love her she's amazing Let me change the setup. I don't like this setup. I've never even seen this platform. I know. We had to learn this, like, yesterday. And we're still trying to learn it. It's kind of great. But let me put my disclaimer and just so that people know that anything we say, how do I do this? I usually like, yeah, like last night when we did this, we had, I had help. There we go. And so I'm doing the solo cause they have to work. Right. Yeah. By the way, you're so pretty. I love you. I love your stuff. I love all the work you're doing to expose this. I know it's very hard, but I would love people to know who you are. I was funny on Facebook. They're all like, who's Sarah, Sarah, who's Sarah, who I'm like, just stay and watch. It's coming.

SPEAKER_00: 1:04

Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't have Facebook and I know so much of the work is happening on Facebook and I should probably get that platform, but I know, I know. Um, my name's Sarah Goble. I actually have, I guess, a unique way into this fight. Um, I don't know what Meg you've said about my story. If I should just start from the beginning of,

SPEAKER_01: 1:27

you know, we've had a lot of people that are married. I just had a woman last night on her and her husband lost their children three, same way. okay we're still fighting so you're and you know this your story is you don't realize how many more people are struggling so yes please tell your story all i've told them is you're a wonderful married couple and even if you know they didn't go to family court but they still lost their children because i want everyone to realize right now in our country none of all our children can be gone like that

SPEAKER_00: 1:55

yeah i think um like the caveat is to say before all of this before we were involved in this i probably was one of those people that like well i If the court says to take the kids, obviously, there's a reason. we went back and forth, like trying to feed him for hours and couldn't. And so we took him to an ER very close to us and they did a full

SPEAKER_01: 2:44

mercy, right? Oh no. And he are, this is a fortune. Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 2:48

This is proof that you are trying to help your baby. Right. Okay. Yeah. This is like 4am. We run him to a local ER in our neighborhood. They do a chest x-ray, tell us literally he just has gas in his belly and to go home. And so we were like, okay, great. I mean, I happen to be a little, I'm like medically sensitive. I'm always a worry wart. But at that time we got the pediatrician on the phone too. And she's like, Sarah, your child just has like a viral infection. Give them saline spray, saline spray at the nose, put them in a warm, steamy room and you're fine. And so we did all of these things from like four. This is

SPEAKER_01: 3:28

my second child, not my first. I'm not stupid.

SPEAKER_00: 3:31

Well, exactly. But it'd been so long that I still was very nervous I mean. Well, you do what you're supposed to do. You take them to the doctor. Right. Exactly. And we have a great pediatrician. She's very like, I don't know. She doesn't go overboard on giving medication unless she absolutely has to. So eventually we tried to give my son some Tylenol. She said, give him a little bit of Tylenol. And I've caught a lot of flack because they're like, you don't give infants Tylenol. And I was like, well, the pediatrician said we could give him a little bit. So we did. And he choked. on it he stopped breathing for a little bit and that just freaked us both out so she said go to Children's Mercy because that's I could send you anywhere but they're going to send you to Children's Mercy because they're the only children's hospital around here so we did we ran straight to this hospital told them our story and I'm pretty sure now knowing what we know they had already they must have seen the x-ray from the urgent care we went to and they had already hotlined us because we got wow yeah We got in there and told him the story. My son had a 100, so it wasn't huge, but it was like a hundred temp. And I mean, it's

SPEAKER_01: 4:42

three months old, right?

SPEAKER_00: 4:44

Right. Exactly. And so it wasn't nothing. I mean, it all now.

SPEAKER_01: 4:48

Something was an infection.

SPEAKER_00: 4:50

He had an infection and that's why he couldn't swallow his throat hurt. But apparently the x-ray at St. Luke's, the ER that we went to showed a rib fracture, which they didn't tell us. Nobody told us this. Obviously.

SPEAKER_01: 5:05

You're talking about the x-ray that was done at the other urgent care.

SPEAKER_00: 5:08

The urgent care.

SPEAKER_01: 5:09

They didn't say there was a rib fracture. Then you take them to Children's Mercy and you said, I think I already looked at it and hotlined it. They said there's a rib fracture.

SPEAKER_00: 5:18

Right. They hotlined immediately, but I think this is where it was crazy because they didn't tell us that there was a rib fracture. They said, we need to take him. Well, I asked. I said, I want a throat scope. I want an MRI. I wanted everything done because I wanted to make sure he was okay. They were like, yeah, we'll put him in a full body scan, right? Which is what they have a scan team. It's their child abuse services. We didn't know at the time that they were involved in this already.

SPEAKER_01: 5:44

So you mean that they were there and you didn't know who they were? They didn't identify themselves?

SPEAKER_00: 5:48

Right. We didn't know until

SPEAKER_01: 5:49

all these people and you didn't know who they were. They didn't.

SPEAKER_00: 5:51

Right. They were weighing in in the background. Okay. So they weren't even present. They're all talking behind

SPEAKER_01: 5:57

your back.

SPEAKER_00: 5:58

Right? Yeah. Well, I think the craziest part too, is they hotlined us because of this rib fracture, which I understand if a Bay comes in with a rib fracture, then you should look deeper into that. But then what they do is they put children through a full body scan. And what they're doing at this stage is looking for any underlying other signs of abuse. And they came back to us and we still didn't even, I didn't even know about the rib fracture at this point, but they sit us down in a room. And I genuinely thought that they were about to tell me that my son had cancer because they were like, we have some really hard news to share with you. And I'm just like, oh my

SPEAKER_01: 6:35

gosh. Oh yeah, I can't imagine your heart.

SPEAKER_00: 6:37

Whoa, I just almost lost it. And they were like, we found several fractures in your son's body. And I obviously freaked out again too, just immediately started crying. And there was a note in their files, like mom acts inappropriately to this news. It's like, of course. But I freaked out at that point because we had recently hired someone new to nanny in our home. And I was like, oh my gosh, this woman has been hurting our son behind our back.

SPEAKER_01: 7:04

Oh, I can't. imagine yeah

SPEAKER_00: 7:06

so then i was freaking out but never once i guess did i realize they were looking at us like they had immediately just assumed yeah because

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your brain's like oh my gosh i'm

SPEAKER_00: 7:14

the one that created this because i hired this nanny right and the same time they were like you and they had already I mean at that point I'm assuming now and this is allegedly this is assuming I can only go off of what I know and what I've seen in the files that the minute they saw the rib fracture is when they decided that we were abusing our son and there was no other right checks and balances done

SPEAKER_01: 7:38

decision they decided it it's done deal you're screwed

SPEAKER_00: 7:42

exactly and so here I am I'm like oh my gosh somebody's been hurting our son like I will do whatever you need you want me to talk to the police you want me to talk to dcf i'll do whatever because i know we didn't do this like i don't i'm a helicopter mom i don't i have a hard enough time leaving just anybody along with my son so i was like i mean look at the plants behind you you love to keep things alive i like keeping things alive exactly

SPEAKER_01: 8:07

plants alive

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right i love your brand by the way yeah thank you it offers a nice backdrop um i

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love what i'm saying but look at you like you like it's just blows my mind people don't

SPEAKER_00: 8:20

realize this can happen to anybody well that's the thing that's crazy and I know like this is always a shot to the ego but sitting in that hospital and we were in there for a week they held us in for a week they didn't treat my son for one thing I think I said this but they said his body was full of fractures I think they had like 14 injuries pointed out at one point in time that we've now basically disproven all of them they read his scans wrong or intentionally lied to make it seem worse I didn't intentionally lie that

SPEAKER_01: 8:48

doctor needs to be sued

SPEAKER_00: 8:49

yeah and so a whole week you sat there in the hospital and it was just so that they could case build against us right they were listening to my conversations they were charging well here's the other thing crazy Meg is that we've kind of uncovered on the Missouri side because you know Children's Mercy sits Kansas Missouri on the Missouri side mind you the head of this scan department the very tippity top head of it he also sits on a board in Missouri that decides how much money all of the hospitals in Missouri are going to get for their child abuse specialties. Okay. So tell me that that's not a conflict of interest.

SPEAKER_01: 9:32

That is crazy.

SPEAKER_00: 9:33

Second is when you look at the grant paper, like the funding paperwork, because on the Missouri side, this hospital gets funded by a government grant to do the work. So once a hotline is triggered and they go into their review case building, they cannot use private insurance, Medicaid, nothing to do the work. Doctors cannot charge your private insurance at all or Medicaid. But what we're finding out looking at our bills, the families that have gone through this is that they are charging the government grant and they're charging private insurance. And these bills, you can imagine what a bill after a week in that hospital racked up to be. And not to mention, like I walked into that hospital without insurance because we can't I mean, insurance for a family of four is insane. Outrageous. Through my job. And so we pay everything out of pocket because what we find is it's just cheaper. Honestly, it's cheaper to pay out of pocket. And so the minute we got in there, they also like the day we were in there started trying to sign my son up for Medicaid so that they definitely had something to bill. Yeah. And so that's just like some of it. We, okay. So sorry, I'm getting off track. Basically, we spent a week in there. They never looked for anything. They didn't even run a basic vitamin D panel. And I don't know how much you know about bones, but. Yeah, that needed to be looked at. Like, that's the number one thing you do first is. What's

SPEAKER_01: 11:02

going on? Like if there is, yeah. Like who had immune something wrong, born with a disease. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 11:08

Right. They didn't look for any kind of genetic causes. they just said abuse exactly and then from that point it was everything that was on my son was abuse so to the point where he has a stork bite he was born with on the back of his head they tried to say that that was abuse he had stork bites that he was born with still has them in the corner of his eyes abuse like every single mark on his skin because he's got very sensitive skin we now know probably linked to Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome they were trying to say that it was bruises and abuse and it was it was insane um It was like, once they had done it, then they have to prove like overabundance that we are just.

SPEAKER_01: 11:46

Yeah. To cover their butts.

SPEAKER_00: 11:47

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: 11:49

And that's what they do. And especially in my situation as well, the judge, you know, I know if I go to finally have trial, he'll still say that, you know, I did all this stuff wrong because he has to cover his own rear now. Right. He took my kids away. Right. They're covering their rear because they're like, oh, we can't get in trouble for this. So they'll make up anything they more and it'll just keep growing like it is.

SPEAKER_00: 12:06

Well, see, and that's, we have, we have to like pause this topic because I've been finding finding something else recently that we need to jump into. But essentially, after that was done, this is a huge debate on my social media platforms. After a mandated reporter hits abuse, then everybody says, well, then it's DCF's job to do an investigation, right? Okay, well, I don't know how many people have dealt with DCF, but they're not investigators. And the people who call themselves investigators, that's a joke. To call themselves investigators is laughable because this woman assigned to our case also

SPEAKER_01: 12:41

Right out of college. No experience. 25, 24. Oh, yeah. I've met a

SPEAKER_00: 12:45

lot of them. They know nothing about medical. These people have no idea how to talk about medical. And they have more rights with our children than we do. Right. So this woman that they bring in, she just decides, obviously, like the doctor said it was abuse. She's going to say it's abuse. So she just wrote up a petition for court that she told us we were going to 24 hours before we went. And it was literally just the notes from the doctor. She had done no, she did a sunflower house interview with my daughter, which came back swimmingly. My daughter said, my parents have only taken my iPad when they're mad at me, like no signs of abuse. They talked to her teachers, no signs of abuse. like this is a happy thriving child not she was nine at the time mind you so she can also talk very eloquently by herself right right um and they told her they believed her they said she did a good job and we went to court the judge only sees the petition that this DCF person writes up and within 10 minutes took both of my children we had no chance I didn't even know what to expect I honestly up until that point still thought that due process was something that existed that we were going to have that my lawyer would step in and say wait just a second because we had two initial emails from someone who I had since pictures of my son's scans that said it looks like he has rickets my lawyer didn't even raise his hand to bring it up like wait just a second I think how much did you pay a retainer for that a lawyer it was not much and you know the sad part about it is I have never been in trouble with the law so I didn't know what to look for in a lawyer 24 hours so we were just hail mary like trying to find a lawyer. And he told me after we were done, you know, that petition was pretty bad. And usually the people I represent actually do this to their children. So it's like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 14:38

So we didn't believe you.

SPEAKER_00: 14:40

Probably not.

SPEAKER_01: 14:42

Did, had you seen the sunflower forensic interview?

SPEAKER_00: 14:44

No, we haven't seen any of it. They still haven't released anything.

SPEAKER_01: 14:49

Okay, I want everyone to realize right now on all platforms, TikTok, everywhere, the craziest thing about Sarah and I is I would love it if you and I could go get a picture in front of the courthouse together. Yeah. Because it was funny the other day, I said something about crying after my kids were taken, and you said I did the same thing. Yeah. And... When I lost mine, same thing as you. It was like, literally, where's due process? No one even asked me if these accusations were true or not. No one has. And they just took my kids. And I know you know that pain. And I'm so thankful you got them back. But How many other are, how many other of us are there just in our County that have hyperventilated and cried? I mean, I was on the ground screaming. My mom was right there and I was just like, what? And I had an attorney and that attorney did nothing. My mom paid 10,000 for a retainer, nothing. And you don't, I don't know if you know this too, after me learning the law so much is that they have 14, 14 days to appeal that or challenge it. Yeah. Attorneys have that, but they didn't, they don't. I didn't know that. Yeah. They are. They're, 14 days statues that you can have 14 days to counter back and say, nope, we're going to, we appeal it. Let's keep talking about this. And why did that attorney not do that for me? Why did it for you?

SPEAKER_00: 16:12

Well, yeah. And he disgustingly, like as I'm having a nervous breakdown, right in the courthouse and in the parking lot, he's like, well, I wanted to talk to you, but it seemed like you were having an emotional moment. And I was just disgusted.

SPEAKER_01: 16:29

Was your husband there? Did your, was your husband say anything?

SPEAKER_00: 16:32

He didn't because I think he's one of those as the man in the situation in, in many. He's

SPEAKER_01: 16:38

shocked too. I mean.

SPEAKER_00: 16:39

Shocked. And I think immediately they were trying to pin something on him and so he was in a very torn place of like how much emotion do i show because if i'm overly mad they're gonna say i'm aggressive right so i'm

SPEAKER_01: 16:54

not mad enough they're gonna say you're screwed either way you know if you didn't cry then they said oh you really were abusing but then you do cry and then oh you're too emotional

SPEAKER_00: 17:04

right and i think he was worried about me because i'm having like a full-on death panic attack but i just i could not believe that in this country where i've been sold since i could repeat the pledge of allegiance you know that we have these certain constitutional rights they're just supposed to protect us from government overreach that i had just gone from being a terrified mother who ran her child not only to one er but then to talk to a pediatrician and then to another er nobody used critical thinking skills to say oh these parents are obviously scared for their children and A judge just

SPEAKER_01: 17:44

took

SPEAKER_00: 17:45

them, took them, passed them through three different homes in a single month because nobody could long-term keep both of my kids. Wouldn't let my mom have the kids because they said the DCF, horrible human, kept saying that she was coaching my daughter because her story was too close to ours because apparently the truth doesn't exist in the world in which we work. Didn't

SPEAKER_01: 18:09

you say one time that the person, the foster... family that came picked up your son do you know how to put the car seat in the car

SPEAKER_00: 18:15

foster family so in kansas right like dcf contracts with kvc to be the most

SPEAKER_01: 18:23

i'm still in kvc next this you know

SPEAKER_00: 18:25

i know and i'm hearing there's like little i can say right now because we are yeah

SPEAKER_01: 18:30

i know they were

SPEAKER_00: 18:30

pretty litigation and kvc was honestly one of the only things that saved us i know we're lucky now talking well it's really the person that's the thing too

SPEAKER_01: 18:40

it's not the company it's well it's the person

SPEAKER_00: 18:42

Well, yeah. And we got so lucky that the first girl was great. She said, that's the thing. She was the first person in our home. And I think the minute you walk in our home and you see like my daughter's bedroom and it's like the bedroom of a very happy little girl and my son's, you know, his nursery, you know, it's just very obvious when you spend time with us. And so

SPEAKER_01: 19:08

your children were taken for three months, you said? Six. Six months. months and your daughter was nine at the time

SPEAKER_00: 19:15

she's 10 now and

SPEAKER_01: 19:17

yeah like that I mean your son that was horrible especially for you but he won't remember it right I don't I don't know daughter daughter

SPEAKER_00: 19:28

then there's fallout. I mean, we see little signs every single day. Yesterday was a perfect example. Actually. Um, we were eating chili and like, there were some chips on top and my son eats anything. He's an endless pit. He's 13 months old now. And like one of the little chips got stuck, stuck in his throat and he was kind of coughing and gagging. And she like had a full on PTSD, just started crying. And every time he like cries a little bit, she is like, Oh no, it's gonna happen again they're gonna take us again oh my gosh that is horrible it's awful and it's gross enough that like things that every time somebody asked the da on our case like what about sawyer like there is no they said even in our petition no evidence of abuse and yet they lumped her in with us and the da said she'll get over it oh

SPEAKER_01: 20:22

the district attorney she'll get over it Can't stand on it. So, out of all of this, how much money have you spent? Because didn't they...

SPEAKER_00: 20:34

So... after going through two terrible lawyers, we had finally some success finding a criminal defense attorney. I would say anyone, my recommendation is stay away from family court lawyers in general. My husband does have a family court lawyer and she's been good because of connections, I will say. But I would never tell someone going through this to get a family court lawyer. My criminal defense attorney was great, very expensive. In total, we've spent between 60 and 70 grand. I know we're actually pretty lucky because people have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. And

SPEAKER_01: 21:15

this is all because you took, and this is not even including the bills from the hospital. Well, I'm not paying any of those. Good girl. Not, do not. But this is all just because you took your kid, your son, three month old son to the hospital. Right. And I think that is where I love that you and I are opposite spectrums of this because I was in children's mercy with my son when he was four months old with RSV. It could have happened to me then. I didn't know. At the end of the day, you got a second opinion about your son's fractures.

SPEAKER_00: 21:52

That was a lucky circumstance. That's another thing that costs families in this a ton of money is you have to pay to get second opinions. You have to pay to travel them out here to give the second opinions. Luckily, because of just people I knew We got a great second opinion. She's someone who does it because she knows the corruption that lives within these children's hospitals. And so she did it for free. But she negated almost every single one of the findings from Children's Multi. We had another person weigh in that it looked like my son did have a mark in the back of his throat. They tried to say that it was my husband sticking his fingernail in the back of his throat to cut him. But it was a viral ulcer because there were multiple signs that my son had a virus. at the time. We have another expert weighing in. I have hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos. We know now. And that's hereditary. What is that? Ehlers-Danlos is a collagen, like connective tissue disorder. And so all my life I've been an athlete, right? And I've had weird like joint dislocations, hip, knees, and nobody ever was like, why is this young kid having dislocations all the time? We'll come to find out, you know, in Disorder, yeah. rapid growth and my son was rapidly growing in utero. Bottom line, we could sit here and go through the medical files. There was a billion things that pointed to my son having underlying medical conditions that nobody ever looked into. I think the craziest part, and this is like the good segue into just corruption and money in this, is now I'm on TikTok and Instagram. And after taking our story, I've started receiving thousands. You had one video that... You

SPEAKER_01: 24:06

and I, I posted all the comments. I couldn't believe it.

SPEAKER_00: 24:09

Right. So that, that was like the, one of the first where I just put it out there, what had happened to us and multiple thousands of comments. Like a, it happened to me too, or happened to somebody. I know the craziest part too, is happened at the same hospital. Like almost all of them are like, this happened to me at the same hospital. I couldn't

SPEAKER_01: 24:27

believe when

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I

SPEAKER_01: 24:27

saw that. I was like, yes, yes. I'm like, Holy crap. I thought it was like national. I knew it was bad, but no, that was bad for that

SPEAKER_00: 24:34

hospital. I was, shocked reading through all of those. And I was sending it to my lawyer. I'm like, oh my gosh, you have to look at this. I was sending them to the, the journalists that I've been working with doing these stories. I'm like, this is big. This is way bigger than us. I think than we ever knew. What'd they say? Um, I mean, unfortunately, like the things we can do is a class action lawsuit. If we could find a lawyer brave enough to do it. And when you do find even a lawyer, which we have not had success, the families that I'm talking to that are wanting to pursue that in finding a lawyer because children's mercy owns like most of kansas exactly yeah yeah right um so finding a lawyer to take that on is hard but then finding families who are willing to be vulnerable enough to like share their stories multiple times you have to you know like they've gotten their kids back now after this and they're scared that they're gonna

SPEAKER_01: 25:30

that's exactly why yes people you know if i ever got my kids back i will not stop until the is fixed but yeah once you get your kids back it's like you don't want to live through that pain again it's emotional and you don't want to risk them coming to get their kids again so you're you're stuck

SPEAKER_00: 25:47

you're gagged that's a hundred percent and it's gagged by intimidation it really is what

SPEAKER_01: 25:52

it

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is

SPEAKER_01: 25:53

i don't get like everyone's like oh yeah you're gagging family court no buddy like you guys like they get mad if you speak out have you had any retaliation of you speaking out

SPEAKER_00: 26:01

no and i'm kind of surprised which is also why i'm not i mean i I'm not going to be in front of the Johnson County courthouse doing this protest because I've basically been told stay away right now because until September 29th, they still have custody of my children. That's

SPEAKER_01: 26:19

the other crazy thing. You got your kids back, but they are still maintaining custody. So they're still getting paychecks on your kids every

SPEAKER_00: 26:26

month. Every month. Their findings are substantiated. They don't think we abused them, but somebody abused our child and they're trying to get us child neglect. So now they

SPEAKER_01: 26:37

changed it to that?

SPEAKER_00: 26:38

Yes, child neglect is what they're trying to get us for.

SPEAKER_01: 26:40

Oh,

SPEAKER_00: 26:41

okay, because you

SPEAKER_01: 26:41

let people abuse your kids.

SPEAKER_00: 26:44

Because we ran them to the hospital. Very neglectful. So that's something I'm constantly like, I'm a squeaky wheel and emailing legislators like every week, like tell me how it's okay that the family court judge has agreed to drop our case completely, but DCF is going to hold on to custody? Like that seems sketchy.

SPEAKER_01: 27:05

But I can't stand DCF's Mark Albrum, the attorney. I've dealt with him a lot.

SPEAKER_00: 27:11

The head

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attorney.

SPEAKER_00: 27:15

Okay, because the attorney that was on our case that we've been literally meeting with for the past three months or so just quit. Who is it? His name was Nick. I don't even know his last name. I work with the big guy, Mark. He just quit. And now we have a new attorney that I'm sure it's going to take multiple months to get him. No, I'm

SPEAKER_01: 27:33

saying DCF's attorney.

SPEAKER_00: 27:35

Yeah. Oh, are you on the

SPEAKER_01: 27:36

Missouri or Kansas side? I'm on

SPEAKER_00: 27:38

Kansas.

SPEAKER_01: 27:39

Oh, well, they must have a peons because the big one, which is good because that means they're screwed because they're not putting the big guy on. They're not scared enough because they know you're going to win.

SPEAKER_00: 27:50

Well, I think that's kind of like the crossroads that we're at right now. We have presented so much evidence showing that the proper medical attention was not paid to our child. Like he actually has conditions that we are taking care of now that nobody looked into that the dcf caseworker investigator on this never did an investigation and she lied in our petition to make it even seem worse than it actually was her

SPEAKER_01: 28:17

name can you share her name

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i better not

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so that's fine i get it yeah my situation's sad because michelle my girl on my dcf she like interviewed my kids before they're taken i posted some of the recording she talked to my kids and she told the gal that all these accusations are horribly wrong not true and Like the kids were very healthy. They love their mother, but they, the DCF worker even stated, I fear for the kids' mental brains when they're with their father. Yeah. And then told the GAL and then family court still took my kids away. And then I finally get ahold of my DCF and she tells me all this stuff and I'm bawling going, thank you. Finally, somebody, you know, and my kids even came back from school and said, mom, this amazing social person came. We liked her a lot. And then, but, but they were like, are they going to tell my dad and my therapist what we said? Cause you know, I have an audio of my children getting in the car, crying from school, making us lie about you. And if we don't, we get in trouble. So anyway, but in my case, I felt bad because this woman tried her hardest. She couldn't believe why they didn't close the case. Well, cause the GAL got involved with her manager at DCF and they kept it open to, they didn't want any, they didn't want the documents to come out that it was unsubstantiated. That was not, I didn't do anything wrong onto that for a whole year. I And so now I'm suing them in federal court. And I fell back because I had to put Michelle on there, the woman. But the only violation she did was let her supervisor do this. Her supervisor really did all this. But I felt bad for the girl. I want to hug her. I'm like, I'm so sorry. I had to, though, because I had to put her as a violation. It's not standing up. But she couldn't, you know. But that's where it all entangles. They all call each other. They all work together. The hospitals, the doctors, the nurses, DCF, right?

SPEAKER_00: 30:06

I think that's a crazy part too about what I've been receiving online when I do these stories. The comments that I get from CPS and DCF workers and the comments that I get from cops and the comments that I get from therapists and lawyers, et cetera, all say the same thing. I would never take my own children to this hospital. It's like, why isn't that... the thing like period that's it why are all these people saying this

SPEAKER_01: 30:33

like that's a problem but i think that no one really understands so my doctor just said this the other day i went there and she could not believe everything that happened she's known me and my kids for years just pretty close and i went to the doctor for a checkup and she goes megan you know i know your story i've seen your story it's crazy you know she's been so amazing for me but she goes i just had a colleague in johnson county that's a doctor lost lost her kids and she's like i have two clients clients too. And then I told her about you and she goes, Holy, and she's got a nine year old son, you know? And she was like, Holy nolies. I said, yeah, it's

SPEAKER_00: 31:07

gotten really bad. Well, this like is the perfect segue Megan to like now what I'm in. This is where truth always seems stranger than fiction, I think. But as people are sending me these stories and I'm reading them online, it's like, Oh my gosh, there is a red thread that I'm starting to notice and all of these. And it's parents who run their children to this hospital. and then the hospital either can't diagnose or figure out what's wrong because they don't have the skill or capacity or you name it or they've messed up in some way and many of them are for example I'm talking to a mom won't share her whole story yet but they messed up a biopsy on her child and didn't tell her but she wanted a second opinion so she requested her records and they knew that they messed up the biopsy so the The minute she requested these records to take for a second opinion, they hotlined her for Munchausen by proxy. Well, that is showing up in so many of these stories.

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exposing it. And then all of a sudden you're abusing your children. How am I abusing my kids? I haven't seen them in a year because family court took them. So they're retaliation. So that mother had retaliation. And she didn't even know it. That's the craziest part. She just by asking for her documents for her kids, child, her rights.

SPEAKER_00: 32:57

Not only has it become lucrative, that's money's usually at the end of all of these, right? So not only has it become a lucrative arm for this hospital but also now it's a way that they can cover their butts when they make mistakes because mandated reporters have almost complete immunity like you can't get that's one thing

SPEAKER_01: 33:18

i haven't talked about this bill will take all that away yes looked at the federal bill i have

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not

SPEAKER_01: 33:25

girl this i need you guys as because like you guys don't know this but sarah pretty much represents parents that aren't haven't been divorced right i represent parents that have been divorced But we both agree that right now, no child is safe with their parents. But this bill is a mom that's wrote it from Florida. She's Francesca. I've had her on a few times. I'm going to have her on here. Go to our website. Before you got on, I was telling everyone they have immunity, taken away immunity, body cam footage on all CPS, DCF workers. You cannot take children away until it's due process, a full hearing. I mean, this bill will save all of our children in every format possible. way

SPEAKER_00: 34:07

yeah i do need i've watched your content with her and i think it's i mean it sounds amazing of course my hesitations always with any government anything is like okay who's sponsoring the bill like does it have legs

SPEAKER_01: 34:22

that's what well and here's the thing i have had a lot of people there's robert garza that is doing bills over state or state bills right hers is federal she just wants safety for our children i've met her um we've talked we've prayed over the bill to Because, you know, and, and here's the thing, if it doesn't pass, we're that it's going to, to me, it's like, if it doesn't pass, guess what we're doing, we'll try again. Yeah. Because there is nothing behind her. There's no backing. Uh, it's just a mom that wrote this bill that studied and studied and wrote and wrote, and it didn't leave anything behind, uh, from the immunity to you can actually, if your kids are taken away like yours and they mess up, then they have to pay for all everything, all your lawyer bills. Yeah. They have to pay for everything. to pay for therapy for your daughter and your son they have to pay for all the expenses but um so the only reason i did partner with her because there's no there's no backing there's no it's not political it's not it's you know she believes like you're left or right i don't care we're talking about children right yeah and so that's where i want to go in october and sit on the board with her in front of congress and i would love her to have a family like yours that sits there and says look right now we don't have any rights for even married couples don't have rights because that's what we're going to do at the third week of October is sit in front of all Congress, Senate and House and present this and be at the table. And I think you have a great following. So I implore you, I would like Maya to come, you know, the one in Florida that her mother passed because she was kidnapped from her mother. I would love her to come. By the way, when you sign up for Facebook, go do it today because all you have to do, this a button, you can click on Instagram and Instagram will automatically start sharing your videos that you've already posted on Instagram automatically to Facebook every day. I

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know if I want,

SPEAKER_01: 36:16

you don't even have to log in. So when I didn't have Instagram, I didn't, I had started on Facebook. What happened was my Instagram started blowing and I never went there. I didn't have time. So all of a sudden I go to Instagram four months and even checked it. And I knew Facebook was taking everything over there. Right. Cause it can go back and forth. I go there and one of my videos have 4.4 million. I'm like, what? okay that's a great yeah well it was funny though because it was a video that someone looked a megan miller up in tennessee they had multiple duis so they were all like bashing me it was so funny but so yeah it's not hard to do you don't even have to check in over there once you have instagram it will constantly do it for you

SPEAKER_00: 36:53

yeah i need to do that i will do that i've got it there's a lot of groups on

SPEAKER_01: 36:57

there too

SPEAKER_00: 36:58

i know and i'm trying to organize our own protests locally right now um in october at the hospital because that's the month that my children were taken. And I think that Facebook would probably help. It's got more tools

SPEAKER_01: 37:11

for. Yeah. And there's like, you can send things, you know, you can send anything. You can have meetings in there now. Instagram has nothing features wise, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it is. You need to. And I think you should not help promote it. I mean, I just started my Facebook business one and it's, it has like 900 people, but my other one is 25,000. Yeah. On my profile one. So yeah, you should. Yeah. And that was just built organically. So, well, thank you for coming on your, um, you speak very well and you're so pretty and I love your dimples and I pray that you get bigger and bigger. I want everyone to get big. I want all your people that lost their kids. I'm constantly trying to share their stuff too. Um, because I want, I want all of us that have our, had our rights taken away, really broadcasted saying it can happen to anybody. I want everyone to get big.

SPEAKER_00: 37:59

Right. There's a way that we can like start using our skills and sharing the skills that we have to like make this a stronger mission and you know my fight's a little different than yours I'm fighting these children's hospitals and like false diagnosis of child abuse but we're all fighting for children we're all fighting the same thing and so I think you know send anybody my way if you hear I'm

SPEAKER_01: 38:26

constantly guys and if anyone that has Sarah's story I'm like tag her Sarah and she's like alright talk to her and I'm like okay I love it like we have this thing

SPEAKER_00: 38:35

I know It's perfect. I'm sitting in that

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face to face. I know that needs to happen

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soon.

SPEAKER_01: 38:40

That'll be, we will. We'll do that. Maybe when I think you're, let me know about your rally in October. I

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will.

SPEAKER_01: 38:46

I will totally show up and be there. So

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thank you.

SPEAKER_01: 38:49

Awesome. Oh yeah. If you can look at the bill, it's on my website. Just go to the federal bill and I sell down for you. Okay. Perfect. All right. I'll talk to you later, girl. See ya. Bye. Thank you.

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Bye.